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 Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 07:50 pm

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Rick Parkington wrote: Well spotted...but no. When i took the picture I had already been and vapourblasted all the bits so I had to dig out a few grubby bits to put in the box. 

It's all done with mirrors and wires... I'm just glad you didn't spot that my shed joins to a massive industrial unit, staffed by a team of ex-Formula One technicians who do all the work while I'm getting my make up done for the pictures.

Cucumber sandwich, anybody?


Is that a reference to "A Bike is Born"??

Reason I ask is because I often wonder how much the presenter (forgot his name) actually does himself and how much is done by "proper" mechanics in the background.

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Well guessed...but also no; just me being sarky as usual. If anything it's because a guy at Stafford asked me if that really was my shed in the pictures!

 I haven't seen 'a bike is born'. Is it another chopper programme, McNut?


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Its one of the many series done by the same guy - Mark Evans I think his name is. He started doing cars, building a kit car then rebuilding a number of 'classics' including an E type, land rover etc...then built a helicopter :shock:
then he did a couple of series rebuilding bikes, a wd harley and a brit twin IIFC
I know what you mean though McNut, there always seems to be quite a few people in the background and the tricky stuff always seems to be complete when the camera comes back to him talking again!



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Rick Parkington wrote: Well guessed...but also no; just me being sarky as usual. If anything it's because a guy at Stafford asked me if that really was my shed in the pictures!

 I haven't seen 'a bike is born'. Is it another chopper programme, McNut?




Nope Rick. "They" rebuild a HD that was used in the film Evita and in another part they rebuild a Bonnie. Very good the way they do it but they seem to have unlimited funds with which to carry out the re-builds.

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You lot watch too much TV!

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Rick Parkington wrote: You lot watch too much TV!And spend too much time on t'interweb !

(You couldn't set up a webcam in your shed could you ? Or post regular videos on YouTube ?)



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TheMightyGusset wrote: Rick Parkington wrote: You lot watch too much TV!And spend too much time on t'interweb !

(You couldn't set up a webcam in your shed could you ? Or post regular videos on YouTube ?)

Shed Cam, I was thinking of having one in my shed, but thenm realised that you lot don't want to watch me and some mates sitting around drinking every saturday afternoon.



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Frankfurt-Beesa wrote: TheMightyGusset wrote: Rick Parkington wrote: You lot watch too much TV!And spend too much time on t'interweb !

(You couldn't set up a webcam in your shed could you ? Or post regular videos on YouTube ?)

Shed Cam, I was thinking of having one in my shed, but thenm realised that you lot don't want to watch me and some mates sitting around drinking every saturday afternoon.


Hmm, my mate had a webcam on his laptop and was using it a lot while we've been here in the US to talk to his wife and son as well as another mate in blighty. Needless to say, there was a lot of messing about behind his back while he was talking to his mate, who has also worked with us and knows the score.

I must get one so I can speak to my wife and kids whie I'm away. This Interweb thing might just catch on you know.

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Telstar wrote: Its one of the many series done by the same guy - Mark Evans I think his name is. He started doing cars, building a kit car then rebuilding a number of 'classics' including an E type, land rover etc...then built a helicopter :shock:
then he did a couple of series rebuilding bikes, a wd harley and a brit twin IIFC
I know what you mean though McNut, there always seems to be quite a few people in the background and the tricky stuff always seems to be complete when the camera comes back to him talking again!

Mark Evans used to have a column in Practical classics and car restorer (maybe still does). He's actually quite switched on and does a lot of hands on himself. Theres another guy who's a proffessional restorer and helps him, kind of like the classic car world's own Rick.



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Velton wrote: Would it be economically viable to machine the timing cover to take a revcounter-drive? Cafe racer without a revcounter is like fish without chips. :shock:



A bit late into this, but what would the market be for an electronic rev counter (driven from the ingnition circuit) in a period case?

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That idea might be good one.

Dunno how much actual demand there would be but lots of potential interest.

Presumably you would be able to se it for 1,2 or 3 cylinders?

Might need a variety of faces with  different red lines?



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One box with upto 12 options (V12 anyone) - that bit would be easy. Period faces wouldn't be that difficult. The hard bit is getting the case/bezel/glass and possibly the needle.

I'll have to have a think about it... unless anyone has an answer to the hard bit..

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India?

Can you configure it for choice of coil or magneto ignition?

And make it survive the vibration?

You know

"At certain speeds a mild tremor could be felt through the footrests" etc.!:D

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It may be better to simply supply the electronics to fit into an existing case...

The trouble with any manufacturing run is a cost effective MOQ. Either way, i prolly couldn't afford the investment.

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Sorry

Didn't answer the 2nd part of your question.

I am sure that I could adapt it to any form of ignition, although diesel may be a bit tough..... (no sparks - unless its on fire) - I would need a pick up from the crank or camshaft..

Vibration etc - encapsulate in resin and then rubber mount - should be OK (ie last longer) on a bantam running at 20k rpm...

Wiring would be quite easy - also use white LED;s to illuminate the dial (suitably dimmed and I could even pulse it a random way so it looks like a candle).

I think I need to find a scrap tacho at the next  bike show (prolly Stafford) to have a play with..

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Nice to see it's coming along !

The red and grey paintwork doesn't look half bad - certainly not the hideous picture I had in my head !

How's the fibreglass tank ?



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No problem, Martyn.

Anyone perverse enough to own a diesel motorbike is probably a different sort of pervert from those who want rev-counters. More likely to want a fuel efficiency gauge I would guess! Or a reversal for his lobotomy?


Would it be possible to use some sort of electronic pick up from the HT cable for a magneto equipped machine - in a similar way to those on HT leads for strobes?


20,000 rpm Bantams? I was thinking more of a 500cc 4-stroke with a 6,000-ish maximum - very different characteristics, surely?

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Hi Velton,

I was actually thinking of a HT pick up. This should be fairly easy to make safe and commercially viable and then a simple switch that you set for the number of cylinders or better number of HT coils - think jap with 1 coil for 2 cyls..

The 20k rpm is a simply analogy. The electronics should be rugged enough for any bike that will shake itself into self detruction..

What I want to avoid doing is altering the existing wiring except for taking a 6v or 12V supply from the ignition switch and perhaps a lighting circuit.

I should be able to knock up a Proof of Concept fairly easily using one of my more modern machines..

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Velton wrote: No problem, Martyn.

Anyone perverse enough to own a diesel motorbike is probably a different sort of pervert from those who want rev-counters. More likely to want a fuel efficiency gauge I would guess! Or a reversal for his lobotomy?


Would it be possible to use some sort of electronic pick up from the HT cable for a magneto equipped machine - in a similar way to those on HT leads for strobes?


20,000 rpm Bantams? I was thinking more of a 500cc 4-stroke with a 6,000-ish maximum - very different characteristics, surely?



I test rode a diesel Enfield back in 93 - had a piece in Bike magazine about it. It was good for about 200mpg, if you could be bothered to sit on it for that long. Starting it was not straightforward though I expect most classic bike owners could've handled the concept of ensuring the piston was TDC before attempting to kick it over. Top speed was about 70mph but it took some time to get there as the acceleration could best be described as sluggish and nor did it feel particularly stable going that fast. My old Suzuki TS125 was quicker off the mark. In addition to its feeble performance, it had the rubbish brakes and suspension of the early 90s Indian Enfields - sorry for anyone who likes these bikes but I certainly didn't - I've been told they've improved since but haven't felt an urge to find out. The front brake didn't appear to do anything and the back did nothing at first and then when applying more pressure to the pedal, locked up the back wheel and I just managed to stop short at a T junction without sliding into oncoming traffic. On top of all this, the diesel Enfield with its Fuji Robin motor wasn't even cheap and it was no surprise to me when they didn't sell.

The guys who sold the diesel Enfields had previously used Matchless running gear and the Fuji Robin diesel and built two or three bikes. I rode one of those too but the rear shocks needed replacement and it was a bumpy ride. One of the guys involved in the project was the importer of the Fuji Robin diesels and liked bikes, which is where the project started initially.

There has been a whole lot of development in the diesel engine field and maybe a new motor with high pressure injection would be better. I'm not in a hurry to try one though.

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I think I remember that test, ScotDuke.

Hence the comment about the lobotomy.



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