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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 06:38 pm |
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Huh I still just think that the ones with 3 wheels look like updated invalid carriages. Still why should people with a disability miss out on a bit of speed and excitement?
Gotta be better than following one of those old light blue "things" at 15 mph through town
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 08:49 pm |
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QuasarNZ wrote: Hooli, considering your talking to an acknowledged expert of FF bikes, your in no position to call him a retard.
anyone who cant count to TWO is a retard in my book. bikes have TWO wheels & my comments were in relation to comments of his about CARS and TRIcycles.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 09:47 pm |
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Frankfurt-Beesa wrote: ScotDuke wrote: Shouldn't it be pied avant?
Who cares. But I'm sure it should be Pieds avant as even the french use 's' to indicate plural, unless he has an eccentric riding style, or one leg.
Possibly 'Première pieds' would be more appropriate, Or 'Pieds en avant'
And I failed french miserably
...or even pieds devant?
I've forgotten a lot of my French.
I tend to respond badly to pomposity and arrogance though. The phrase 'how to win friends and influence people' springs to mind but if this is how an acknowledged expert on the subject of FF bikes behaves in public I reckon long term bikers like me are going to continue being put off by the concept.
"OK, I'll try not to be rude. The above shows a breathtaking ignorance of Bonneville streamliners. I've just been updating myself on recent record-breakers and it confirmed what I said in the first place. ALL the outright TWO WHEEL record breakers of the last 50 years have been Feet First."
Well piedevant (I can think of a similar word that uses many of the same letters you'd find somewhat less flattering) you didn't try particularly hard to be rude. And as you yourself mentioned, the world's fastest Indian didn't feature the feet first layout.
If all FF bikers are unpleasant like this guy, I'll happily ride on by with a smile on my face when I see one needing help at the side of the road.
I tried sarcasm but it didn't work so I'll be upfront and make it clear exactly what I think of this guy, without resorting to being as rude as him.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 12:42 am |
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"By the way, I consider the Quasar to be more classic, and more worthwhile than a BMW C1 Burgmann , scooters etc."
More classic than a list of things no-one regards as classics? OK, then. 
"OK, I'll try not to be rude. The above shows a breathtaking ignorance of Bonneville streamliners. I've just been updating myself on recent record-breakers and it confirmed what I said in the first place. ALL the outright TWO WHEEL record breakers of the last 50 years have been Feet First."
The "breathtaking ignorance" seems to be surprisingly widespread. piedevant himself was hesitant about specifically naming any FF record breakers when he made that comment. Does half an hour's Googling / "updating myself" justify comments like that? Not to me.
I assume this is Paul Blezard, aka piedevant?
It seems to me that FF enthusiasts are the Scientologists of the motor-cycle world. Enthusiasts for their own single-minded (narrow? ) understanding of things, and persistently advocating "universal answers" to questions which no-one has asked and feeling slighted when the rest of us don't take any notice / them seriously. All based on the "teachings" of a science fiction writer, L. Ron Hubbard.
Oh, and my French is merde!
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 12:57 am |
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ScotDuke wrote: Shouldn't it be pied avant?
I actually mis read it at first, thought he was a pie deviant from "Wiggin" (pie eaters), Perhaps he likes his pies without bottom pastry, but it is all so clear to me now .
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 07:52 am |
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Velton wrote: "By the way, I consider the Quasar to be more classic, and more worthwhile than a BMW C1 Burgmann , scooters etc."
More classic than a list of things no-one regards as classics? OK, then.
I assume this is Paul Blezard, aka piedevant?
It seems to me that FF enthusiasts are the Scientologists of the motor-cycle world. Enthusiasts for their own single-minded (narrow? ) understanding of things, and persistently advocating "universal answers" to questions which no-one has asked and feeling slighted when the rest of us don't take any notice / them seriously. All based on the "teachings" of a science fiction writer, L. Ron Hubbard.
Oh, and my French is merde!
I don't know if the guy is Paul Blezard, whose scribblings I vaguely remember reading in a mag somewhere (it could've been Motorcycle International but all that was a long time ago), but like you Velt I do think he's so far up himself he's in danger of vomiting up his own head. Mind you, that would suggest he has a turning circle of somewhat less than an FF bike.
Your French is no worse than his, mine or FBs.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 07:59 am |
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well thats the first time ive been called a scientologist..
id rather shoot myself than socialise with Tom Cruise et al
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:04 am |
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QuasarNZ wrote: well thats the first time ive been called a scientologist..
id rather shoot myself than socialise with Tom Cruise et al
:-P
P?? are "Q" and "P" one and the same?? This would certainly throw a new light on this "discussion", if that were the case.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:06 am |
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jessplop84 wrote: QuasarNZ wrote: well thats the first time ive been called a scientologist..
id rather shoot myself than socialise with Tom Cruise et al
:-P
P?? are "Q" and "P" one and the same?? This would certainly throw a new light on this "discussion", if that were the case.
no, its a slack weay of writing an emoticol
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:07 am |
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| err, just got it, no pied and quasarnz are not the same, im in New Zealand, hes not...
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| OK, but "P" isn't giving out much re: his where abouts, do you think he's hiding from the tax man??
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:53 am |
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jessplop84 wrote: OK, but "P" isn't giving out much re: his where abouts, do you think he's hiding from the tax man??
Or hes worried someone will come around and nick his plastic sc**ter
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 09:22 am |
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Frankfurt-Beesa wrote: jessplop84 wrote: OK, but "P" isn't giving out much re: his where abouts, do you think he's hiding from the tax man??
Or hes worried someone will come around and nick his plastic sc**ter
Or spraypaint an appropriate comment on his classic, yet tragically misunderstood powered two wheeler.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 10:17 am |
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QuasarNZ wrote: well thats the first time ive been called a scientologist..
id rather shoot myself than socialise with Tom Cruise et al
:-P
QNZ, the other metaphor I considered was the guy at Oxford Circus (London, UK) who has a megaphone - ranting about God, Hell, Armageddon, repentance etc.
While all around him the sinners blithely carry on with their lives.......
Velton - unrepentant sinner
EDIT; Oh, just to expand a little. I assumed "piedevant" was a phonetic spelling.
2nd EDIT; Attempt at humour removed, due to not being as smart as I thought I was
Not meant seriously or offensively, piedevant.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 10:21 am |
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QuasarNZ wrote: well thats the first time ive been called a scientologist..
id rather shoot myself than socialise with Tom Cruise et al
:-P
Why not make the world a better place and shoot Tom Cruise
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 10:33 am |
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Frankfurt-Beesa wrote: QuasarNZ wrote: well thats the first time ive been called a scientologist..
id rather shoot myself than socialise with Tom Cruise et al
:-P
Why not make the world a better place and shoot Tom Cruise
ah, something we can all agree on ...
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 11:36 am |
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Velton wrote:
"It seems to me that FF enthusiasts are the Scientologists of the motor-cycle world. Enthusiasts for their own single-minded (narrow? ) understanding of things, and persistently advocating "universal answers" to questions which no-one has asked and feeling slighted when the rest of us don't take any notice / them seriously. All based on the "teachings" of a science fiction writer, L. Ron Hubbard."
This is the most insulting thing anyone's said so far about FFs.
The whole point about the FF concept is that combines an engine and two wheels in a far more logical and comfortable layout than a motorised safety bicycle. L.Ron Hubbard was a charlatan and a con-man and the people who've built an entire pseudo-religion around his 'teachings' are just a bunch of con-merchants IMHO. It staggers me that so many apparently intelligent and capable people have been taken in by it. Then again, you could say the same about the Mormons....I recommend a book called 'The Cults of Unreason' by a chap called Chris Evans, whom I heard lecture on the subject while studying psychology in the mid 70s. The unfortunate Mr Evans died in mysterious circumstances not long afterwards....
Scotduke added, erroneously:
"Your French is no worse than his, mine or FBs."
Ce n'est pas vrai. Voir ici, par exemple, entre autres:
http://www.motomag.com/Rencontre-des-Quasar-a-Hastings-so-1381.html
I apologise if I've upset anyone. It wasn't intentional. You seem rather a sensitive lot in some ways, but also happy to dish out ill-judged abuse in some cases. It's just rather annoying to see people spout nonsense as if it were pearls of wisdom when they don't actually have any experience or knowledge of the subject in question.
As I've already tried to make clear, I enjoy riding all kinds of motorcycles in a whole variety of places, both on and off road. I'm not blind to the shortcomings of the many FFs I've ridden, far from it. But I do honestly believe that if as much time, money and effort went into FF development as Yamaha spent on the R1 alone, (for example) then a lot more people would be riding powered two wheelers and a lot of current bike enthusiasts would happily abandon their traditional steeds for the delights of FFs. Thank God for the Italians. If it weren't for them, Yamaha would never have built the Tmax, Suzuki wouldn't have built the Burger King and Piaggio wouldn't have built the Gilera GP800. They've made it so much easier and cheaper to build a decent FF. (The Mk3 Tmax was the top-selling PTW over everything from Jan-April this year in Italy. 8,345 in 4 months! (The top selling bike was the R1200GS with 3,403, below 5 other scooters.)
Forgive me if I don't reply to other missives on this forum for a while but I have some Ecomobiles and MonoTracers to ride in Switz and Czecho. I'll be getting them well cranked over in T shirt and shorts, safely cocooned inside the all-enveloping carbon-kevlar 'helmet'. Like this:
http://www.bikeweb.com/node/1392
with a ton of luggage in the capacious compartment.
Incidentally, the Eco & MonoTracers have a wheelbase of 112 inches and weigh nearly half a tonne but many a sports bike rider has come to grief trying to keep up with them in the twisties.
By comparison, the Quasar's wheelbase is quite short at 'only' 77 inches, but that doesn't mean you can't ride one around the outside of a Triumph Sprint, for example, as shown here: http://www.bikeweb.com/node/1173
There are some more nice examples of FF cornering here:
http://www.monty-ff.me.uk/
including lots of Carver stuff; another great machine. My final thought for you all:
"Don't knock it till you've tried it!"
In the meantime, have a great time riding whatever floats your boat.
Cheers,
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 11:47 am |
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No offence meant, piedevant, the bit I wanted to emphasise was in the middle
" Enthusiasts for their own single-minded (narrow? ) understanding of things, and persistently advocating "universal answers" to questions which no-one has asked and feeling slighted when the rest of us don't take any notice / them seriously."
Is that any less insulting? Can you see what I'm getting at?
I even specified which writer of science fiction I meant, so that it would not be taken to include FF writers!
And the Scientology jibe was not meant seriously, or with the intention of offending anyone. Including Christians or psychiatric patients, if my later comments are also taken seriously.
Maybe I should use more smileys?
On the other hand, this is the "Banter" part of the Forum. My Dictionary defines banter as
"n.Good humoured teasing.v 1 tr.ridicule in a good humoured way. 2 int.talk teasingly [17c. coinage]"
  etc
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 02:34 pm |
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Velton wrote: Blah......
On the other hand, this is the "Banter" part of the Forum. My Dictionary defines banter as
"n.Good humoured teasing.v 1 tr.ridicule in a good humoured way. 2 int.talk teasingly [17c. coinage]"
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Velton old matie, look at the top of the page, this is the Biking Chat section:
Classic Bike Forum > Biking Chat & General Banter > Biking chat > Feet forward motorcycles
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 02:47 pm |
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Feet forward on conventional....
http://www.filecabi.net/video/text-bike.html
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