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Posted: Sun Apr 1st, 2007 06:30 am |
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Does the Dan Gurney "Alligator" qualify? I'm pretty sure that it is Feet Forward. The few times I have seen anything written about it, seems to get good reviews. I believe it uses a Honda 600 single for power. I'll try to find more info.
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Posted: Sun Apr 1st, 2007 07:24 am |
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It qualifies as another fugly, POS, bank manager, nancyboy rather have a c*r, bike.
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Posted: Sun Apr 1st, 2007 06:11 pm |
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The C of G must be amongst the lowest of any bike!
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 11:10 pm |
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Ash said:
"fortunately for most of us 99% of choppers don't have a roof, a windscreen wiper and a fake plastic leatherette banana seat"
Which is one reason they are so frigging impractical.
FYI The Quasar hammock seats were all made of genuine leather.
Frankly, I wish mine had been made of more weatherproof material but the hammock is an inspired way of making the seat quickly changeable from solo to dual seat.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 11:20 pm |
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Frankfurt Beesa said, of the Gurney Alligator:
"It qualifies as another fugly, POS, bank manager, nancyboy rather have a c*r, bike."
If you had tried to follow Dan Gurney up the hill at Goodwood Festival of Speed on the Alligator in 2003, you might be a bit less disparaging.
It's no more a car than any other bike, and much less so than many.
Fortunately not everyone is as pig-ignorant about Alligators as you clearly are, which is why Dan Gurney sold out his limited run of 36 machines at $30,000 a pop. Actually, it might have been £30,000 each, I'm not sure.
But don't take my word for it. Listen to Eddie Lawson:
Eddie Lawson
4-time Grand Prix Motorcycle World Champion and ALLIGATOR Test Rider
"The thing our Grand Prix bikes had the most trouble with, this bike does well."
See:
http://www.allamericanracers.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 11:22 pm |
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piedevant wrote:
Eddie Lawson
4-time Grand Prix Motorcycle World Champion and ALLIGATOR Test Rider
"The thing our Grand Prix bikes had the most trouble with, this bike does well."
standing up without a stand, failing to make corners, getting laughed off the track etc? 
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 11:27 pm |
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I takes its you are referring to this abomination!
No doubt it's target market was midgitses with long armses and amputeeses, and peopleses with a general lackses of good tasteses, eh preshush.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 08:47 am |
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"No doubt it's target market was midgitses with long armses and amputeeses, and peopleses with a general lackses of good tasteses, eh preshush".
FYI Dan Gurney and his sons are all well over 6ft tall. And Gurney is an All-American hero; something like the equivalent of Colin Chapman and Jim Clark combined; one of very few men to have designed, built, and won with his own F1 car. See here:
http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/alligator_history.html
And the new Alligator has double the power of the old one, which was already the fastest accelerating street bike ever tested by Cycle World magazine.
http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/pr_s+s-gator.html
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 09:00 am |
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piedevant wrote: "No doubt it's target market was midgitses with long armses and amputeeses, and peopleses with a general lackses of good tasteses, eh preshush".
FYI Dan Gurney and his sons are all well over 6ft tall. And Gurney is an All-American hero; something like the equivalent of Colin Chapman and Jim Clark combined; one of very few men to have designed, built, and won with his own F1 car. See here:
http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/alligator_history.html
And the new Alligator has double the power of the old one, which was already the fastest accelerating street bike ever tested by Cycle World magazine.
http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/pr_s+s-gator.html
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Hardly surprising as most of what they test are HD based slugs. 0-60 in 3.1 is not really a major achievement.
Nice and light, but too long for any kind of twisty fun, riding position is typical 'merkin leaving the rider steering with elbows rather than whole body. I would not want to ride it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 09:25 am |
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Frankfurt-Beesa wrote: piedevant wrote: something
riding position is typical 'merkin leaving the rider steering with elbows rather than whole body.
True FB, feet forward drastically reduces control of the machine when cornering, I have highway pegs, that allow me to change position on long rides, I have tried using these in corners, and they offer absolutely feck all control. Conventional mid mounted controls allow weight to be applied to the footpeg, thus giving control. I really cannot understand why any decent rider would limit their riding experiance by having forward controls.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 10:58 am |
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FB said:
"Nice and light, but too long for any kind of twisty fun"
That is complete b0ll0x; you've clearly never tried to follow a well-ridden FF through the twisties, let alone an Alligator.
" riding position is typical 'merkin leaving the rider steering with elbows rather than whole body. I would not want to ride it. "
Nothing like sticking to your prejudices by avoiding any experience which might change them, eh?
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 11:08 am |
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Jessplop said:
"feet forward drastically reduces control of the machine when cornering"
More complete and utter b0ll0x.
" I have highway pegs, that allow me to change position on long rides, I have tried using these in corners, and they offer absolutely feck all control"
You can't compare highway pegs on a conventional bike with FF pegs on an FF.
"Conventional mid mounted controls allow weight to be applied to the footpeg, thus giving control. I really cannot understand why any decent rider would limit their riding experiance by having forward controls".
Then maybe you should try riding a proper FF rather than spouting ignorant nonsense from a position of zero experience. (And in case you're wondering, I regularly ride big and small KTM dirt bikes and a BMW HP2 both on and off road. FFs aren't ideal off road, but they can certainly cope with dirt roads and fields no problem.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 11:25 am |
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If feet forward is such a great idea in terms of reducing drag with unimpaired control, cornering etc. then why is no-one using it on the race track?
Surely anything that offers such advantages over the traditional arrangement would be snapped up by race engineers?
Presumably there is nothing in the Regulations to exclude them?
Or are all racers just old stick in the mud types, who don't want to win?
(Yes, I am ignorant of FF bikes. They do not interest me at all. But I'm puzzled why this - allegedly - huge leap forward in design has remained the obsession of a few odd-bods rather than changing the face of motor-cycling. )
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 11:26 am |
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piedevant wrote: Jessplop said:
"feet forward drastically reduces control of the machine when cornering"
More complete and utter b0ll0x. yawn! Oh really?
" I have highway pegs, that allow me to change position on long rides, I have tried using these in corners, and they offer absolutely feck all control"
You can't compare highway pegs on a conventional bike with FF pegs on an FF. And why not?
"Conventional mid mounted controls allow weight to be applied to the footpeg, thus giving control. I really cannot understand why any decent rider would limit their riding experiance by having forward controls".
Then maybe you should try riding a proper FF rather than spouting ignorant nonsense from a position of zero experience. (And in case you're wondering, I regularly ride big and small KTM dirt bikes and a BMW HP2 both on and off road. FFs aren't ideal off road, but they can certainly cope with dirt roads and fields no problem.
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I am wondering if peado-deviant is related in some way to SS.
I consider my experiance riding with highway pegs to be close enough to FF to form an edumicated opinion on the subject. I find midmounted pegs to be ideal for riding in the twisties, although rearsets do provide even better weight distribution, and therefore control, hense all those race bikes having them.
But, of course, you, no doubt, know so much better than the rest of the world, don't you? Mmmmm???
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 11:30 am |
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Piedevant only has 6 posts, surely he's just trolling for replies/responses.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 11:31 am |
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Velton wrote: If feet forward is such a great idea in terms of reducing drag with unimpaired control, cornering etc. then why is no-one using it on the race track?
Surely anything that offers such advantages over the traditional arrangement would be snapped up by race engineers?
Or are all racers just old stick in the mud types, who don't want to win?
(Yes, I am ignorant of FF bikes. They do not interest me at all. But I'm puzzled why this - allegedly - huge leap forward in design has remained the obsession of a few odd-bods rather than changing the face of motor-cycling. )
I'm beginning to thing peado actually owns one of these things, and is therefore desperately trying to defend them, I can't think of many more reasons for him being so aggressive/touchy about the subject
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 11:38 am |
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"Piedevant only has 6 posts, surely he's just trolling for replies/responses."
"I'm beginning to thing paedo actually owns one of these things, and is therefore desperately trying to defend them,"
"I am wondering if paedo-deviant is related in some way to SS."
Quite possibly! 
Maybe his enthusiasm has influenced his judgement? (Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here.)
So come on, piedevant, answer the questions without getting aggressive - if you can. We like a debate on here, but that's different from an argument / row / abuse.
But there are lots of stroppy ****wits on the net who think they are the only people with the correct opinion on anything / everything.
Fortunately, this Forum doesn't seem to attract many of them - yet?
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 11:42 am |
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piedevant wrote: FB said:
"Nice and light, but too long for any kind of twisty fun"
That is complete b0ll0x; you've clearly never tried to follow a well-ridden FF through the twisties, let alone an Alligator.
" riding position is typical 'merkin leaving the rider steering with elbows rather than whole body. I would not want to ride it. "
Nothing like sticking to your prejudices by avoiding any experience which might change them, eh?
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I regularly blast past burgman things in corners, ridden by folk who appear to be in full control of them. Riding a bike to its limit is a full body task, cornering begins with the head, head turns and shoulders, back and the rest including bike follows. Feet forward interrupts the line between front axle and shoulders thereby limiting the controlling input to the elbows, pushing and pulling on the bars so to speak. The fact that I do not wish to ride the thing makes me prejudiced, I am a purist, I won't own a bike that cannot be ridden as I want to ride. If I want to travel in a comfy armchair like position I'll buy a c*r. (well built)Conventional motorcycles have a riding position which provides the rider with the optimal control, whole body is part of the control. The moment the centre of gravity of the body is significantly removed from the gravitational centre line of the bike, control becomes a bit dubious. These Alligator things have very low centres of gravity, the rider seated behind the engine has a totally different centre of gravity. Just adjusting your seating position requires major effort with the legs all bent and forward of the bodys centre of gravity.
I would like to know what you ride, because you obviously have feck all idea about proper bikes and how to ride them. As you have put minimal details in your profile, I can't fathom where you are from, but I guess you are something to do with sales and distribution of the awful things.
In case you wonder about the future of them, they will never be true classics, only oddities and footnotes in the history of motorcycling.
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Holy reappearing threads, who the f*** ressurected this and why?????
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| I don't want to rat on a mate, really, but this revival started in Cornwall.
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