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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 02:50 am |
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850norton wrote: I'm sure that any old scrap brass from back then must be worth something unless it's totally scrap now due to rust.
As far as the unfair trade advantage, surely that can't be true unless they, the Gaulois puffers, think that we the US, recipients of some French scrap metal in NYC, would get a Favored (without the "u") Trade Staus like the Chinese got from us. And look what that got us....cheap items that have lead and other toxic materials in them.
But not the Chinese that you work with Ploppy, they would never do that
I wouldn't bet me grannies gold teeth on that!
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 02:59 am |
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| Well, just goes to show. Give and inch and they take a kilometer
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 11:42 am |
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I dunno... 'Xenophobe and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' Anyway, I just remembered another good thing about Imperial, (although thinking about it this is more relevant to our late lamented £sd currency than measurement). Using bases of 12 and 20 instead of ten, you can halve and quarter without going into fractions - a 1/4 of 12 is 3 a quarter of 10 is 2 1/2. So although decimal may seem simpler, in fact it is all a lie.
Now after me children, 12 pence in a shilling, 20 shillings in a pound, 21 shillings in a guinea, 240 pence in a pound...
You know it makes sense.
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 01:09 pm |
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You'll be throwing your cloggs into the machine next Rick  .
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 02:17 pm |
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So what system does a "bawhair" come under, Imperial or metric?  
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 02:31 pm |
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jimmy wrote: So what system does a "bawhair" come under, Imperial or metric?
"Bawhair" is an antedluvian unit, roughly equal to a gnatsgonad, the old anglo-saxon equivalent of 0.012"
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 05:26 pm |
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Not necessarily; in the English system it's spelled 'boar-hair' referring to a bristle from said porcine creature. This would probably be nearer .030" depending from which part of the animal's anatomy it was extracted. Jimmy may be alluding to Scottish patois, however, in which a 'baw-hair' could be rather lesser dimension, the word in this case being derived from the Scottish 'baws' as in the traditional greeting "Get tae f***, Fanny-baws,"
I'll leave you all to take your own measurements.
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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All I remember from my shipyard days, whilst lining summit up through the theodolite, was the call "a bawhair to the left/right". Sometimes the offending item was hit with a 3lb / 7lb / 10lb hammer. so I imagine the "bawhair" works in a weight to size ratio.
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 11:49 pm |
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Hi
If those who set up the Metric System were all that smart they would have based it on a power of two such as 2, 4, 8, 16. That way it would work much better with a computer.
As for being pissed off about who won a war. I think that some Panther owners are still pissed about the American Revolution.
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 12:55 am |
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| Our French friends shouldn't be upset about the land being all tore up from the events of 1914-18. They should think of it as "Urban Landscape Renewal" or "Urban Landscape Redesign" with a helping hand by members of the future EU.
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 08:31 am |
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850norton wrote: "Urban Landscape Renewal" or "Urban Landscape Redesign"
Like your lot are doing in Iraq?
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 02:28 pm |
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They do what they can to help beautify eyesores.
Jimmy, "a wee bawahair to left/right" may also be known as " a red c*nt hair's width" in the electrickery fields. Another non-metric form of measurement.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 10:36 pm |
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Rick Parkington wrote: I dunno... 'Xenophobe and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' Anyway, I just remembered another good thing about Imperial, (although thinking about it this is more relevant to our late lamented £sd currency than measurement). Using bases of 12 and 20 instead of ten, you can halve and quarter without going into fractions - a 1/4 of 12 is 3 a quarter of 10 is 2 1/2. So although decimal may seem simpler, in fact it is all a lie.
Now after me children, 12 pence in a shilling, 20 shillings in a pound, 21 shillings in a guinea, 240 pence in a pound...
You know it makes sense.
R (enemy of 'progress')
Wife is watching tennis on TV so she's commandeered Sky,feeling bored so I started looking in some of the posts I haven't visited for a time and came accross Ricks gem
I'm in full agreement with Rick on this (age related thing in my case) but Rick ommitted the beauty of the English language that has been lost forever with the decimal system of finance. Namely: (for the youngsters)
Frupence= 3 old pennies
Tanner= 6 old pennies
Bob= 12 old pennies known as a shilling
Arf a crown (half a crown in Queen's english)= 2 old shillings and 6 old pennies.
5 bob=Self explanetary if you have been reading the previous description Bob
10 bob note= 10 shillings. First note in Imperiel finance. Nice and red and what you always hoped your granny would give you when you kissed them goodbye on their whiskers but they never did, just gave you arf a crown.Made you wonder if it was worth kissing them for that.
11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19 bob all self explanatary
A QUID= Schoolboys dream Lovely green note worth 20 shillings and referred to by the posh as a POUND. You'd kill for a quid when aged 10, it was the ultimate wet dream only time one ever came into your personal possession was when some long lost rich uncle from Australia or America came to see the Old Country and gave you a quid when they left. Always accompanied by words of wisdom from your mum along the lines of spend it sensibly Yeahhhhhh it's a 10 year old they're talking to, when do 10 year olds ever spend money sensibly??
Fiver= I'm told they were white when i was a kid and I seem to remember my old man showing me one at some stage in my life probably when i was around 8 or 9. We were so poor you see so I only know what they look like from films 
White fivers were phased out not long after The Great Train Robbery, some say so that the robbers wouldn't get to spend the money on themselves. Nowadays of course all the villains of their ilk have become politicians and just rob us blind anyway and none of THEM end up with 30 years jail.
FREE Ronnie Biggs ...........
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 11:36 pm |
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Don't forget the poor old farving with the wren on.
We also lost the names ha'penny and tuppence although there was no reason to but the old dialect just disappeared. Suddenly we had "1 NP' or "One new pence" - proof of how decimalisation reduced literacy.
"2 pee" replaced tuppence although we had never said "2 dee" before.
Am I paranoid or did the 1970s mark the beginning of a campaign to detach us from our roots ?
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 11:46 pm |
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850norton wrote: Or least the French. Seems Monseuir Frenchy in his smugness forgot that us colonials in the US ALSO use the old trusty standard of inches/pounds etc.
Well no.
You don't actually !
You use strange Merkin versions of Proper Inches, Pounds, Gallons etc.
Even more senseless than the Froggies and their Base 10 Nonsenses.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 11:53 pm |
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| An inch is still and inch, 12 inches is still a foot. Maybe the liquid measurement isn't the same, but the measuring ones are for the most part.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2008 12:14 am |
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Something with I have often seen confused is the "decimal inch" or 1/10th of a foot. I would find it so amusing to see/hear my numpty Assistant Drillers refer to them as "American inches", whereas they are an engineering measurement used to save having to do an extra calculation when there is a large accumulation or "tally".
we use them when measuring drill pipe and tubulars, a 15,000+ ft "string" of 5" drill pipe comes in nominal 30ft joints, and each of these joints would be measured and tallied up, so the use of the decimal inch made for an easy sum (especially where the swamp bunnies were concern). An acurate bit depth is important fo many reasons, as is an average tool joint (drill pipe connection) position for BOP ram space-out.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2008 12:23 am |
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Metric Inches are a completely different set of Nonsenses !
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Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2008 03:28 pm |
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Don't forget the florin either, later to become the 'ten pee piece' or the jolly old guinea - which I guess was never a coin as such, at least in living memory. For those who don't kow it was marketing ploy amounting to a pound and a shilling, so if something was 100gns it was actually £105.
On a broader note I have little time for some of the Johnny Foreigner intolerance that has been floating about here lately; being British doesn't make us any better than anybody else BUT we are entitled to be different and noone should have been allowed to wipe out almost overnight a currency and measurement system that had evolved over hundreds of years. I realise by accepting that it had evolved it could be argued that decimilisation was a part of that evolution but it was to sudden, it was like ethnic cleansing. Public money is now spent promoting Welsh and Gaelic language from education to road sineage to preserve a nation's heritage. I have no problem with that but who would support my campaign to bring back the shilling?
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Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2008 03:55 pm |
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Decimalization occured about two years before I went to England as a kid so I'm more familiar with that. But I did learn some of the old terms such as a bob, tanner, florin and a couple of others. I got used to saying "10p" or "10 bob", but never said "10 new pence". Just didn't seem right.
Did learn the other week from on old girl on my route about some new coins in the UK. She's 86 and from Northern Ireland, been here for about 50 years or so. She gave me a small bag of change to use on my trip, came out to just around 3.50 pounds. There's a two pound coin in there and she was telling me about a five pound coin.
Oh, nearly forgot....the British penny and the American penny were the same size, so we couldn't use our penny for legal tender on US bases. As they were the same size, the US penny could be used in the public loos and the government would get "cheated" out of revenues. So if we wanted to spend a penny, we had to do it the right way and use the coin of the realm.
Bring back the shilling, tanner, 10 bob bit, or at least the terms so they don't die out.
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