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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 10:10 pm |
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I see that Boris Johnson has pushed a half decent cop out of his job! What the hell is this country coming to when an ex public schoolboy buffoon can influence such happenings. Next thing we'll see is that buggery and fagging becomes compulsory
When will common sense and decency return to this country!
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 10:19 pm |
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Your opinion super ........ not mine.
Blair was very much like his namesake Tony ........ too much political correctness and not enough common sense. Listen sometime to what the street coppers think of Blair and you may change your opinion. Blair was out and out New labour. Just before I left the Fire Brigade we started getting educated idiots like Blair in, knew everything by the book but couldn't knock a nail in the wall. Blair was the result of fast tracking in the police and lacked that certain something that a good thieftaker has. Personally I salute Boris for getting rid of another of Tony's cronies.
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 10:34 pm |
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ClassicMCnut wrote: Your opinion super ........ not mine.
Blair was very much like his namesake Tony ........ too much political correctness and not enough common sense. Listen sometime to what the street coppers think of Blair and you may change your opinion. Blair was out and out New labour. Just before I left the Fire Brigade we started getting educated idiots like Blair in, knew everything by the book but couldn't knock a nail in the wall. Blair was the result of fast tracking in the police and lacked that certain something that a good thieftaker has. Personally I salute Boris for getting rid of another of Tony's cronies.
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Hmm, I'd not agree with your politics but I agree with your opinion that Sir Ian Blair is better out of the job. He screwed up royally with the shooting of Charles de Menezes, I mean who was in charge? And the issue of a contract being given out to a mate of his is questionable to say the least. Charles de Menezes lived just up the road from us and my wife takes that bus to work, which brings things a bit too close for comfort.
I hope they get someone better.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 07:25 am |
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The Charles de Menezes affair was a total balls up/coverup, and fair enough, Blair as boss had to carry the can! Will London be better off with Hogan -Howe. I doubt it!
My main point is regarding the idiots running this country. Any one of the cast of 'have I got news for you' would have been more suitable as Mayor of London. Ask any Scouser .
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 08:53 am |
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Supersix - I'm no fan of Boris and didn't vote for him. I think it's only a matter of time before he screws up royally as well to be honest. I didn't vote for Ken either and thought he was past his best although what tipped it over for me was his deliberate manipulation of a report into the issue of motorcycles using bus lanes. All he research showed it brings down accident levels for bikers significantly and that there are no increases in incidents involving bicycle/motorcycle accidents but Livingstone had this thrown out, presumably because he thought he'd win votes amongst cyclists by doing so. In other words, he was willing to let people die so that he could stay in power which to my mind was as good a reason as any to vote against him.
Since Sir Ian Blair has been chief constable crime has fallen in London and I live in one of the areas where you really see these things. Crime hit a peak in about 2001 and th levels of muggings around here (Brixton) were horrific, while we also had our car broken into and the issues with crack houses in the neighbourhood were very bad. It's noticeable how much better things are now, very noticeable.
But Sir Ian Blair had lost the confidence of his force and there was also the issue of his dispute with his assistant and the allegations of racism. What gets me about Boris's actions is not that he called for Sir Ian Blair's resignation, which was expected, but the way he did it. The due process calls for discussion between the Mayor of London and the Home Secretary over the issue. Boris could have said to the home sec that he had no confidence in Sir Ian Blair and wanted to call for a resignation and she probably would've told him to wait for the results of an investigation, which was in hand. But Boris ignored all this and went ahead, which politicised the whole sacking and was also not democratic. Whoever gets the job next will be selected at Boris's behest and will be under no illusions that he (or she) is Boris's choice, which is also not the way things should be done.
Sir Ian Blair screwed up for sure and I don't think he was right for the job. But there was a method to push him out that Boris ignored, so he screwed up too. Whoever gets the job next will be looking over their shoulder all the time at Boris and will have to toady to him, which politicises the whole thing and is plain wrong.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 12:30 pm |
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Hang on Scotty ........... Boris did NOT fire Blair .......... Boris informed Blair that he had no confidence in Blair's ability to continue as Head of the metropolitan Police BUT it was Blair that handed in his resignation to the Home Secretary. You may also note that when questioed on Question Time last night that the Homes Sec didn't deny that she made no attempts to talk Blair out of resigning.
Rumour amongst reporters and media pundits is that the current Govt aren't too unhappy to see Blair go as they too regarded him as one of Tony's men and also with the upcoming enquiry into the De Menes case plus the allegations of corruption and racial discrimination against Met Officers the Govt are actually quite plkeased that Blair will not be in office.
It was also pointed out to the Home sec on Question Time that Boris as the ELECTED Mayor of London was voicing the opinions of a majority of Londoners which he had every right as their Mayor to do. Now he will have a say on the appointment of the new Commisioner but ultimately it will be the Govt through the Home Secretary that will appoint the new Chief of Police in London.
What is the point of electing a Mayor, paying him/her a good salary then saying "You are not allowed to voice an opinion of any Govt appointees, ie. Chief of police?? ... Yeah Ken Livingstone liked him, so did Tony and yes, certain crimes in London are said to have come down, however please note that since Blair took office there have been 2 changes of means of reporting crimes. Plus like it or not there has been an increase in certain crimes in the Met area, namely knife crimes and gun crimes in the last 3 years, though this year is SLIGHTLY down on gun crimes to last year but one swallow does not a summer make.
Shame really that no one seems willing to give Boris a chance. Yep he may have gone to a public school and yep he may have seemed a bit of a clown on TV but in the end he seems to be taking this job in London deadly seriously and it seems a shame to me that no one in here will give the guy a chance to either prove himself OR f*ck up. So far he hasn't done too badly in my opinion and hasn't invited ANY Moslem extreemists to City hall to have a chat with other like minded people.
Give the guy a chance I say and reserve judgement, after all HE WAS ELECTED BY A MAJORITY OF VOTING LONDONERS with more votes per capita than this Govt ever got in any election.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:10 pm |
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Boris did not follow the correct procedures. Sir Ian Blair was probably going to be kicked out following the investigation as there were serious questions over the Charles de Menezes case and the other issues as we've agreed. If Boris had waited, Sir Ian Blair would've gone early anyway.
In other words, Boris broke the rules. If he keeps this up, he may end up getting kicked out too. Yes, he won the election but not by such a massie majority that suggests he's that popular in London. I don't know anyone who voted for him, or who'll admit to it anyway. As for reserving judgement on Boris's record, he's already politicised the issue of who is the top cop for London and the UK and he's not been that long in the job.
The decrease in street crime is very apparent in London and particularly in a place like Brixton where I live and which has a particular problem in this regard. Coldharbour Lane, which I used to live along until 2001, has had the highest recorded rate of street crime of anywhere in the western world. It isn't as bad as it was.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:56 pm |
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Lang wrote: I think that Boris is a top bloke make him prime minister & he might just make a real difference to this country
In a George Dubya type of way no doubt
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Lang wrote: I think that Boris is a top bloke make him prime minister & he might just make a real difference to this country he strikes me as a very capable bloke. cant be any worse than the bunch of w***ers running uk ltd at the moment.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 05:58 pm |
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Can't wait! Boris as PM and Charlie as King! s***! What a thought
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 10:22 pm |
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supersix wrote: Can't wait! Boris as PM and Charlie as King! s***! What a thought
Eeek, and Sarah Palin as US president then. I can wait.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 10:47 pm |
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within six months of the mad "Hockey mom"seizing power when the old gipper 2 kicks the bucket the world will go to hell in a handcart as she nukes everything in sight that steps out of line with her right wing ideas,please America wake up and don,t vote another lunatic fanatic in,Bush was bad enough and he was just stupid,strikes me Palin is stupid and viscious with it.
Q. how do you get a dumb American to stand up?
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Q.how do you get millions of dumb Americans to stand up?
a.Da de da da da daa,dum de da da da daa daa,etc,etc.
(not including our mates from the states who contribute to this forum on a regular basis and appear just as dismayed as the rest of us with what has been going on in their land of late)
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Know how you feel James....I never vote and that's my own damned fault for the dickweeds we have running this place.
It amazes me that Bush seems to be so out of it. Maybe he figures that he can't go for a third term so no matter what he does, it doesn't matter.
Dismayed I think is a very appropriate word for what this place has become, dismayed at what lies in store for us and dismayed that no matter what, it just isn't really going to make much difference as the next ones in can and probably will bugger this up just as bad.
Dismayed enough to seriously consider getting some alcoholic drink of some sort to sup. Rick if you're reading, do they make Ossians or Duechars in tins and if so, can you send me a few dozen crates? That might help
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Posted: Sat Oct 4th, 2008 02:37 am |
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Interesting thread here gents on everybodys opinion. Ya know the way I see it you fellas know in detail about Boris and Blair where as I know just about nothing about it and what comes over here about goings on in the UK is of course filtered throough the main stream news. Like wise its reverse over there. Now there was a very good debate last night over here but I bet your mainstream news had a certain shall we say "bias". Now I have given web sites on news outlets over here IF some are curious and wish to by pass the mainstream media but ya all know better so I shant bother.
Oh yeah. Thats quite an interesting x-ray of that 16er over there with the knife in his head.
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Truth is Det we get quite a lot of news here about the US Pres election and there's a reason for that. Whoever is Britain's PM or London's Mayor makes absolutely no difference to an American, we are never going to influence US politics or industry BUT as I said many times before, when America sneezes the rest of the world catches a cold and very much so in this present Presidential election. Europe generally is waiting to see who the USA elects for the next 4 years. IF McCain is elected you may well get your wish for the USA to draw further apart from your European allies as he is regarded as just being Bush mk 3, however if Obama gets elected you would probably see an uprising in goodwill towards the USA from Europe, not I suppose that bothers most Americans one way or the other.
Maybe you don't actually realise in the USA exactly the sacrifices made by the UK at least on behalf of the USA. Remembering that there are approx 60 million UK citizens and our whole army is about the size of the US Marine corps we have committed them to a LONG drawn out war in Afghanistan which because of the difference in our GNP is just about bankrupting us, plus the war in Iraq as compared with the US GNP. Okay so we went into it volountarily, well Tony did anyway, but that doesn't take away the fact that at all the UN Meetings Britain alone has backed the USA in ALL it's resolutions regarding the war on terror (bush's expression, not mine) yet it appears that Americans are never told about the performance of the British military in Afghanistan. When US forces alone are committed in battle the US media proclaims that "US forces kill 20 Taliban in firefight", when it is British forces the US media state that "US Led coalition forces killed 20 Taliban" ........ our guys out in Afghanistan have performed feats of valour that would in the USA be made into a Holywood film yet it is never reported in the USA.
Unfortunately the mood in Europe now is that under Bush and probably under McCain it's a case of America uber alles and stuff what the rest of the world thinks. Okay so if thats how you want to play it I can assure you that NO country on this planet of ours can survive on their own for long, believe me. Other Empires have tried and though it works for a time it never lasts however strong their military is.
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Posted: Sat Oct 4th, 2008 11:43 pm |
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Total Tosser is not a bad description of Boris.
Nor of Ken towards the end.
I have voted Labour all my life until CURED by Tony B-Liar and Ken Livingstone.
Ian Blair will get blamed for the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes yet the officers on duty that day were acting under a level of stress that those conducting the enquiry will probably never have experienced.
I am not condoning the shooting of an inocent man of course. Just asking how many people could REALLY have made better judgements under that degree of pressure and so soon after the July 7th terrorist attacks on London?
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Funny that you should mention what you mentioned McNut. When I was up in Edinburgh in May, I went to dinner with Rick, his wife Angie and some others. Susan (Peter the Meters wife ) asked me about all this election nonsense and why it effects the UK and politics and I said something about that whatever happens politically in the US does effect the UK as well.
Susan asked why and I said that for some reason the US politics does have some bearing on the lives of the British people whether for good or bad. A lot of it has to do with our ties stemming from WWII. Not so much the military part but more of the role the US took in international relations and rise as a, I really hate to use this term, world power. Britain at the same time was starting to lose it's role as a world power politically, militarily and economically. To an extent, it was being over powered by the US and the Soviet Union as they both emerged stronger after the war than they were prior. But also because of the changing of society, etc in Britain at the time.
Dominic Sandbrook wrote two very good, but long, books "Never Had it So Good" and it's sequel "White Heat." These concern post war Britain from Suez to the early 70s and he describes this at length.
Here in the US, it seems to me anyway, that anything that happens outside of the country unless it's something epic, is nothing of great interest as most folks here are concerned with whats happening here. US troops are mentioned in the news viz Iraq and Afghanistan due to US news crews being there and the concern being mainly on the US and public opinion there. Anybody else is secondary as they're not viewed in the same light as US troops even though they may have fought in the same exact battle and probably even harder as well as braver.
A good example is with me being stationed in South Korea. I was on Yongsan Army Base in Seoul one day. This base was the HQ for 8th US Army and UN Command. Ther were small contingents of UN troops there as well. While walking near a parade ground I heard something andhad tostop and listen. What I heard were the sounds of bagpipes.
There were British soldiers there on Yongsan but you never heard a word about them. The commanding general for all US Forces in Korea and 8th US Army was also the commander for UN Command there. But the military news media, which was mainly Army, only mentioned the US Army, and USFK for the most part. Every once in a while they might mention us in the Air Force and sometimes UNC. But never a word about the several different military members from other countries that made up UNC.
British soldiers and others from the Commonwealth found and died in Korea, but it's not very well known here.
Hate to say it, but when it comes to the US and news or other countries, it mainly concerns the US as that's what the people here can relate to. To them, other countries are foreign and not to be understood.
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OK Mac, "How do you get dumb Americans to stand up"?
" How do you get dumb Americans to stand up"? All this over a woman who gets smeared by a bias liberal. The knife example? I read what goes on over there so my point is to look for "unbiased" reporting on what goes on over here. Its that easy.
So there for its ok to demean those Americans who do not support the Democratic ticket and take Palin as a real gem shining through the muck of current politicians. If half the nation supports the McCain ticket thats at least 150 Million Americans. How many European countries would that be? Obama is a socialist with radical terrorist ties. Now you tell me if a sudden charasmatic politician saying nothing with ties to Sein Fein wouldnt bother many over there. His patron Bill Ayres of the Weather Underground was headlined in a Chicago newspaper STANDING on an American flag. He says hes not repentent and had not done enough back in that day. Obamas patron. The corrupt orginization ACORN community action group registers dead people, ficticious people, illegal aliens and now at work in Ohio with same day registration and voting where homeless(bums) and people from out of state are voting. He wants a TRILLION dollar tax increase on us with the sunset of the last tax cut and he has near a TRILLION in new spendiing proposals. We cannot afford this government anymore. No new energy sources except some pie in the sky alternate energy scheme which would be decades away. Lets just keep giving our monies to the Russians. What was Merkel doing justs the other day, kissing up to the Russian president? Russia has Europe by the short hairs and soon they will tell Europe to bend over and grab the ankles. If we became more energy independent Russia and others would not have as much leverage.
Thats right, we do effect you and energy is one of them. So, Im looking out in the far term. I could go on Mac but dissing half the American electorate is cheap intellectualism and its easy. So if you fellas have questions or want a good debate on whats going on over here all fine and good, I game. I dont stick my nose in your politics.
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You missed the bit that says
"we saved your butt in the 2nd war"
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