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ClassicMCnut
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 12:48 pm |
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Detour Rd. wrote: OK Mac, "How do you get dumb Americans to stand up"?
" How do you get dumb Americans to stand up"? All this over a woman who gets smeared by a bias liberal. The knife example? I read what goes on over there so my point is to look for "unbiased" reporting on what goes on over here. Its that easy.
So there for its ok to demean those Americans who do not support the Democratic ticket and take Palin as a real gem shining through the muck of current politicians. If half the nation supports the McCain ticket thats at least 150 Million Americans. How many European countries would that be? Obama is a socialist with radical terrorist ties. Now you tell me if a sudden charasmatic politician saying nothing with ties to Sein Fein wouldnt bother many over there. His patron Bill Ayres of the Weather Underground was headlined in a Chicago newspaper STANDING on an American flag. He says hes not repentent and had not done enough back in that day. Obamas patron. The corrupt orginization ACORN community action group registers dead people, ficticious people, illegal aliens and now at work in Ohio with same day registration and voting where homeless(bums) and people from out of state are voting. He wants a TRILLION dollar tax increase on us with the sunset of the last tax cut and he has near a TRILLION in new spendiing proposals. We cannot afford this government anymore. No new energy sources except some pie in the sky alternate energy scheme which would be decades away. Lets just keep giving our monies to the Russians. What was Merkel doing justs the other day, kissing up to the Russian president? Russia has Europe by the short hairs and soon they will tell Europe to bend over and grab the ankles. If we became more energy independent Russia and others would not have as much leverage.
Thats right, we do effect you and energy is one of them. So, Im looking out in the far term. I could go on Mac but dissing half the American electorate is cheap intellectualism and its easy. So if you fellas have questions or want a good debate on whats going on over here all fine and good, I game. I dont stick my nose in your politics.
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I guess the truth is Det that you and I will never agree what constitutes a fair society. Thats okay. We are two different people, brought up in two different eras, basically in two different world's. I fully respect your right to contradict what i say, thats freedom of speech.
"How do you get dumb Americans to stand up?" ...... answer: play the Stars and Stripes ..Okay okay okay thats a joke 
Regards Palin .......... lets put it this way IF McCain gets elected then I pray that he lives long enough to complete his time as President because from what I've seen on both US TV (Fox) and British TV.......... IN MY OPINION ...... for what it's worth, the world would become an even more dangerous place than it is already. Great, she can see Russia from her window, JEEEZ she has no idea how "foreigners" think or are liable to act. I won't go on about her as there isn't much point seeing as how you regard her as "a real gem shining through the muck of politicians"
One of the lessons of Empire that we learned was that like it or lump it at times you make very strange bedfellows when it comes to international politics. Even the capitalistic USA HAD to deal with and back a dictator as bad as and some say even worse than Hitler, namely Joseph Stalin. America has also got into bed with dictators like Pinnoche, Peron and various other facist dictators in S America and Central America when it suited it's cause including some VERY cruel and meglomaniac dictators in the Middle east, Saddam Hussain being just one of them. One of the reasons that the USA is so hated by the higherarchy of Iran was because of the backing of the USA for the Shah of Persia, as cruel and as ruthless as any present dictator. I really needn't go into the US backing of some pretty vile dictators in the Far east and places like Indo-China.
Way I see Obama's association with Ayres is that when Ayres was at his terrorist zenith Obama was 8 years old and his dealings with him since has been on a very loose formation and most of that to do with regeneration and help for urban renewal. In the end we ALL deal with terrorists at times, certainly in Britain we have, Cyprus, Kenya, even in Northern Ireland. The pure fact that Irelands 2nd minister is Martin McGuinnes and we deal with Gerry Adams tells you that the best you can hope for in most internal security wars is to fight the enemy to a standstill that will bring them to the negotiating table, and the same will happen in Afghanistan, in the end the USA will end up dealing with the Taliban. These kinds of wars/insurgencies call them what you will, will only ever be ended by diplomacy and compromise and that means talking to your enemies, after all there's no point in just talking to youir friends.
From what I gathered the election practices of the Republican Party have also left a lot to be desired in the past in US politics so I would say neither side is blameless in dirty tricks. To me as an outsider the "Swiftboating" of John Kerry was a disgrace and I would have said that if Kerry had been a Republican not a dem.
My personal politics actually just right of centre, but where you and i would differ would be that I believe that there are certain basics in this life that EVERYONE should be entitled to and a reasonable degree of free healthcare is but one of those principles. That means that the rich should help the poor when it comes certain basics in life, after all, there are lots of people that really do not have either the ability or the intelligence to take fully care of themselves in their small worlds, and they not only need guidance but also help and it is down to us as a society to help them. You call that Socialism, personally I call that humaniterianism, helping others less fortunate than ourselves because as they say "There but for the Grace of God go I"
Truth is Det, I like you and respect you and you have your ideals in life that you wish to stick by but they aren't mine so we'll just have to trundle along arguing with each other for as long as this Forum lasts or either of us pops our clogs to the great debating society in the sky, in which case being older than you it will probably be me and I'll be waiting with ALL the answers to really stuff your ideaology
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 04:42 pm |
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Personally I think they are all scared paranoid....They arm themselves to the teeth fear everyone who isnt exactly like them....And thinking outside the box does seem a problem....Simple and proud of it...Don't intellectualise...Govt/ life by slogan, critisize at your peril cos its a threat.....He Stood on a flag...You aint from these parts are Yer boy.
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I do know lots of 100% Americans and I really like them...Hi ya Tim, But these Jesus freak republicand dont function like us....they like killing and just cant let things be...Sort of muscular 3 year olds
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 05:03 pm |
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ClassicMCnut wrote: I believe that there are certain basics in this life that EVERYONE should be entitled to and a reasonable degree of free healthcare is but one of those principles. That means that the rich should help the poor when it comes certain basics in life, after all, there are lots of people that really do not have either the ability or the intelligence to take fully care of themselves in their small worlds, and they not only need guidance but also help and it is down to us as a society to help them. You call that Socialism, personally I call that humaniterianism, helping others less fortunate than ourselves because as they say "There but for the Grace of God go I"
Well said, McNut! I'm not getting into the political side of things but I firmly believe basic humanitarian values should be upheld. As you say, some might call that Socialism, others might call it "Good Christian Values" but I don't think you need either politics or religion to have humanitarian and compassionate values and if those values start to be undermined or belittled or set aside in the pursuit of personal gain, it really is a sorry state of affairs and a sad reflection on the selfishness of society.
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 08:57 pm |
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Pooh wrote: Personally I think they are all scared paranoid....They arm themselves to the teeth fear everyone who isnt exactly like them....And thinking outside the box does seem a problem....Simple and proud of it...Don't intellectualise...Govt/ life by slogan, critisize at your peril cos its a threat.....He Stood on a flag...You aint from these parts are Yer boy.
Goodnight Johnboy
I do know lots of 100% Americans and I really like them...Hi ya Tim, But these Jesus freak republicand dont function like us....they like killing and just cant let things be...Sort of muscular 3 year olds
Hi ya Pooh. And what you said ^^^up there. I don't count myself one of thems types. Right now I don't give a fuzzy rats a** about any of these oinks as I'm now at war with:
POSTAL MANAGEMENT.
Our boy manager, who by the way is one of those described, has decided to harass me as I'm a Union steward who won't conform to his way of thinking, I stand up to him and I've filed grievances on him. So now he's trying to get back at me over it.
So now it's war.
Oh yeah, Pooh, can you check to see what the postage would be for the lid to here (San Antonio, Texas 78201)
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Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 12:03 am |
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Today Mac. A day in the life of Americans. Even the dumb ones da da da that stand up. A charity toy run. 1021 motorcycles. We are humane. Always have been. The bloated federal gvt has transferred 7 TRILLION dollars of our monies to failing programs that show no results except the intentions were good. They say judge us by our good intentions. Yet we are going broke. WE dont disagree on much, maybe 10% but the cheap shots I wont put up with. So's heres a sample of Americans where many are probabally da de dumb.
This charity run was done by Barnegat and Manahawkin police supported by NJ State police. A fast nonstop run.
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I had the only Triumph there
Didnt see any of those weird Victories, must be in Europe. One of the types that were there.
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Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 08:40 am |
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That Victory doesn't look at all bad. I'm told they're better in many ways than Harleys as they corner and brake.
Detour, let's not fall out over politics.
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Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 10:15 pm |
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 08:44 am |
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I love how the debate was completely derailed by interesting pictures of bikes. Perhaps motorbikes are the way to bring peace to the world?
I've always suspected as much.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 01:09 pm |
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samuelp wrote: I love how the debate was completely derailed by interesting pictures of bikes. Perhaps motorbikes are the way to bring peace to the world?
I've always suspected as much.
Could even work, shoot anybody who doen't ride a proper bike (Meaning a bike that goes around corners, stops when intended, and reaches a reasonable speed kwithin a reasonable timespan). 
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 01:53 pm |
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Yeahhhhhhhhh FB, you mean a Bantam
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 05:41 pm |
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ClassicMCnut wrote: Yeahhhhhhhhh FB, you mean a Bantam
shoot anyone who rides a bantam?
nah just slap them with a kipper & shoot tassled hardleys 
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 09:40 pm |
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Hooli wrote: ClassicMCnut wrote: Yeahhhhhhhhh FB, you mean a Bantam
shoot anyone who rides a bantam?
nah just slap them with a kipper & shoot tassled hardleys
What about anyone on one of those wierd Victory bikes?
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 09:59 pm |
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ScotDuke wrote: Hooli wrote: ClassicMCnut wrote: Yeahhhhhhhhh FB, you mean a Bantam
shoot anyone who rides a bantam?
nah just slap them with a kipper & shoot tassled hardleys
What about anyone on one of those wierd Victory bikes? sorry i thought this was only about bikers
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 11:15 pm |
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samuelp wrote: I love how the debate was completely derailed by interesting pictures of bikes. Perhaps motorbikes are the way to bring peace to the world?
I've always suspected as much.
Did it on purpose More debates will come, we all know that.
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ClassicMCnut
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 11:33 am |
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Detour Rd. wrote: samuelp wrote: I love how the debate was completely derailed by interesting pictures of bikes. Perhaps motorbikes are the way to bring peace to the world?
I've always suspected as much.
Did it on purpose More debates will come, we all know that.
Yeah Det I know you did it on purpose
However, you know I know you did it on purpose, BUT I know you know I know you did it on purpose.
I guess now you're going to come back and tell me you know I know you know I know you did it on purpose
In which case I will come back at you and tell you I know You know I know you know I know you did it on purpose.
Damn what a load of bullsh*t I type sometimes
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 11:39 am |
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ClassicMCnut wrote: Detour Rd. wrote: samuelp wrote: I love how the debate was completely derailed by interesting pictures of bikes. Perhaps motorbikes are the way to bring peace to the world?
I've always suspected as much.
Did it on purpose More debates will come, we all know that.
Yeah Det I know you did it on purpose
However, you know I know you did it on purpose, BUT I know you know I know you did it on purpose.
I guess now you're going to come back and tell me you know I know you know I know you did it on purpose
In which case I will come back at you and tell you I know You know I know you know I know you did it on purpose.
Damn what a load of bullsh*t I type sometimes
At least you realise it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 02:19 pm |
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 11:51 pm |
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And you did it on purpose
here are some more pics....on purpose
horrible aint it?
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Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2008 01:13 am |
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My response to that, Detour? 
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Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2008 11:54 am |
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Jeeezz Det THAT is UGLY ........ I mean REALLY ugly. Never seen anything as ugly as that cept for a picture of sarah Palin first thing in the morning without makeup
(SEE notice the subtle way I turned the subject back to American politics?? Clever hey??? I did THAT on purpose det )
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