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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 02:02 pm |
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'Creationism in schools' call
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The Royal Society has called for creationism debates in school lessons
A leading biologist and education expert called for creationism to be included in science lessons.
The Rev Professor Michael Reiss, director of education at the Royal Society, believes banning creationism from the classroom is likely to backfire with children who hold sincere beliefs.
He wants teachers to be open to discussing creationist ideas. Some creationists reject the concept of evolution and suggest that the Earth is only 10,000 years old.
At the same time they should endeavour to explain scientific theories such as natural selection and the Big Bang.
Prof Reiss admitted he used to be "evangelical" about spreading the word of evolution when he taught biology in schools.
But he added: "I realised that simply banging on about evolution and natural selection didn't lead some pupils to change their minds at all. Now I would be more content simply for them to understand it as one way of understanding the universe."
Speaking at the British Association Festival of Science at the University of Liverpool, he said it was better for science teachers not to see creationism as a "misconception" but as a "world view".
Around 10% of British schoolchildren come from families with sincere creationist beliefs, said Prof Reiss, an ordained Church of England minister. In the US, the proportion of creationist schoolchildren was 40%.
Many of these children came from Muslim backgrounds or families with fundamental Christian views. Teachers in science lessons ought to be willing to talk about creationism if students brought the subject up, said Prof Reiss.
At the same time as making clear creationism is not accepted by the scientific community, they should convey a message of respect that does not "denigrate or ridicule" the children's beliefs.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 02:07 pm |
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Velton wrote: "At the same time as making clear creationism is not accepted by the scientific community, they should convey a message of respect that does not "denigrate or ridicule" the children's beliefs. "
As long as that respect is only to the same extent that you would respect a child's belief in Father Christmas and the tooth fairy.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 02:37 pm |
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It's Turtles all the way down !
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 02:39 pm |
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"creationism".....just a label to hide behind, why don`t they just call it religion and be done with it.
Here in RS the kids are taught right and wrong and a summary of the various religions. When I was at school it was assemblies every morning with bible readings and yet more of the same in RE, we had a school minister and before every holiday had to march down to church.....but even then it NEVER reared it`s head in science/biology or any other lessons.
The home or church are the places for such things to be "discussed" (nb not "taught" as it has no viable evidence or logic).
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:13 pm |
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TheMightyGusset wrote: It's Turtles all the way down !
Isaak Asimov......
I'm with Gusset here, it's OK to teach this crap in religious edjumecation but keep it away from the sciences.
I wonder if they have accidentally created some little universes ar CERN this week.
First collisions achieved.
BLAMMMM!!!!
No data yet though, or too much.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:34 pm |
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Creationism/religion belong in Religous education lessons. Said lessons should also teach things such as right and wrong, and about what various religions believe. Not the bollocks I had to put up with about "do we think god exists?", a subject where I just repeated the same Douglas Adams quote about Gid and the babelfish.
Science is for teaching....SCIENCE!! Concrete, proven facts or scientific theories. Religion should stay the hell out altogether. What next, linking maths to some leftie guilt trip over the slave trade? Cookery (now called "food technology", I kid ye not) lessons discussing whether Shakespeare would have liked pasta with meatballs?
Right now I'm thouroughly pissed off that the school my sister attends has forced her to take a general studies A level. For the uninitiated, this is an A level most universities laugh at, so is a lot of extra stress and effort for bugger all. I told her if she dares do anything towards it, I'll slap her.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:35 pm |
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Rather than teach some prehistoric mumbo-jumbo to the poor wee confused little feckers, teach then about the real world, the real universe, tell them that their religion (or rather, their parents religion) is a load of tosh, then get them some lessons on the guitar, such as this talented lass must have had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGieanN5JQ&feature=related
Honestly, this is the 21st century, not the 12th!
I'd rather see the world implode into a manmade black hole, than suffer these f*cking religious f*ckwits for one more second, god damn then, damn them all to hell*
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:38 pm |
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jessplop84 wrote: Rather than teach some prehistoric mumbo-jumbo to the poor wee confused little feckers, teach then about the real world, the real universe, tell them that their religion (or rather, their parents religion) is a load of tosh, then get them some lessons on the guitar, such as this talented lass must have had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGieanN5JQ&feature=related
Honestly, this is the 21st century, not the 12th!
I'd rather see the world implode into a manmade black hole, than suffer these f*cking religious f*ckwits for one more second, god damn then, damn them all to hell*
*Taylor, planet of the apes
Well since the had some test collisions at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern and we didn't disappear down a black hole, the pillock in Hawaii trying to get it stopped so he could be recognised at a twunt in the whole science community, seems to be just that a twunt.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 04:10 pm |
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Ah, buts they wuz juss tess crasshiss, dummies! waits untills they getses them top quarkses bangin's togethers, then we'll seeses, won'ts wees, eh precssiouss!
Now, back to religion....... F*CK RELIGION!
Here's Blind melon:
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 04:47 pm |
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jessplop84 wrote: Ah, buts they wuz juss tess crasshiss, dummies! waits untills they getses them top quarkses bangin's togethers, then we'll seeses, won'ts wees, eh precssiouss!
Now, back to religion....... F*CK RELIGION!
Here's Blind melon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdXXgppVU4c&feature=related
I'll be joining Jess in Fucking religion, lt the reall Protonses and Antiprotonses crash, lest have a some big bangses, ant teach that twunt in rome that he don't know how this is made.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 05:00 pm |
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TheMightyGusset wrote: It's Turtles all the way down !
nah its a disc on four elephants (two male, two female) stood on a turtle (sex unknown).
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 06:04 pm |
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Hooli wrote: TheMightyGusset wrote: It's Turtles all the way down !
nah its a disc on four elephants (two male, two female) stood on a turtle (sex unknown).
But what is the turtle standing on???
This was once asked by (I think) Isaak Asimov, and the reply he got, from midwestern fundamentalist bumpkin/freak, was Gussets post "It's Turtles all the way down !"
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 06:06 pm |
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Now if we have to teach Creationism in schools, then logically and rightfully we should give equal time to the versions of history of ALL the worlds religions, but Creationism is not about being unbiased and open-minded, it is about stuffing the ideology of the political Right down the throats of children to turn them into mindless Hitler-Youth.
Creationism. Just one of the scary policies of the neo-conservatives. The last thing the Right wants anyone to know is actual history, because then people would be able to see the parallels between all the worst governments and movements in the world and them!
Here is Sarah Palin in action, another scary psycho nutbag who possible could become the leader of the biggest military budjet in the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA&feature=related
The right is against real education and free and open thinking, because anyone who is really educated and capable of free and open thinking can see the horror that they are.
Everyone in the world has got to do whatever they can to curb the spread of the Right Wing Christian Conservative movement.
Creationism is just one of their ridiculous ideas and tools they want to implement to warp the entire world to fit their ideals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZBI9gvDGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XaQG8j5maI&feature=related
Holy s***! Literally........
These are not really religious people, they are greedy, self-centered and souless denizens USING religion and it's less intelligent followers to further their agendas and profits.
The really scary thing is that they have gotten as far with it as they have. THAT shows you how bad society really is, when just as in the case of Nazi Germany, a large population needing a direction is taken control of by extremists and moved to do their bidding.
THAT is the history lesson that Neo Conservative Christians want to get out of schools and replaced with their own re-writes and ideology.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 06:40 pm |
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sportspecial wrote:
The really scary thing is that they have gotten as far with it as they have.
I find it scary that so many people believe in Creationism......it's as ridiculous as Scientology and other such Bollox.
And, Sue, as for bible-bashers at the front door - they're not really welcome. If they want me to respect their beliefs they should show some respect for mine and not knock on my door wanting to tell me I'm wrong. Now the Easter Bunny with a nice chocolate egg would be a different matter.....as long as he only wants to share chocolate and not talk religion 
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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starfirebird wrote: sportspecial wrote:
The really scary thing is that they have gotten as far with it as they have.
I find it scary that so many people believe in Creationism......it's as ridiculous as Scientology and other such Bollox.
And, Sue, as for bible-bashers at the front door - they're not really welcome. If they want me to respect their beliefs they should show some respect for mine and not knock on my door wanting to tell me I'm wrong. Now the Easter Bunny with a nice chocolate egg would be a different matter.....as long as he only wants to share chocolate and not talk religion
Easter bunny having nothing to do with modern religion you should be OK with him it's just another spring time fertility rite hijacked by them bible thumping nutters.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 07:13 pm |
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Frankfurt-Beesa wrote: Hooli wrote: TheMightyGusset wrote: It's Turtles all the way down !
nah its a disc on four elephants (two male, two female) stood on a turtle (sex unknown).
But what is the turtle standing on???
great'a'turin swims through space obviously 
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 08:20 pm |
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I agree with SS, organised religion is largely about controlling people. Jon's Dad was a vicar and he reckoned the main purpose of religion was to "keep the peasants happy". Well, if you can get people to believe in creationism, you can get them to believe anything, I suppose.
Apart from that, I don't have any clever or complicated arguments about why I'm cynical about religion. There's plenty of evidence that you don't need to believe in a god to be a good person and that believing in a god doesn't make you a good person - that's reason enough to make religion unnecessary.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 08:40 pm |
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starfirebird wrote: I agree with SS, organised religion is largely about controlling people. Jon's Dad was a vicar and he reckoned the main purpose of religion was to "keep the peasants happy". Well, if you can get people to believe in creationism, you can get them to believe anything, I suppose.
which russian was it who called religion 'opium for the masses'? ive got a feeling it was stalin.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 08:42 pm |
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Not sure what gets my blood boiling more....Americans or Religous fundamentalists!
As far as i am concerned we are on a 1 way ticket to oblivion and no one will forgive you for being crap in the next life so better make the most of this one!
My tuppence worth!......
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 08:44 pm |
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Sorry if i offended any 'nice' Americans, have met a few but overall they scare the sh*t out of me as a nation!....
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