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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 04:26 pm |
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| Call me slow or stupid but what is manna short for? Attachment: Suzuki T500 M (8).jpg (Downloaded 98 times)
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 06:56 pm |
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| Like khama, if you do good things, you get some from the reciever of the goodness.
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 08:14 pm |
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And if your naughty, you get it taken away!
Bloody childish...... but if you've got any spare??????
PS Its short for Mad Arseholes Need No Acceptance
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 03:25 am |
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Baldyman wrote: Bloody childish...... but if you've got any spare??????
You've had it from me (either "mentally" or for real) from a long time ago, BM; ever since you posted the pic of you after standing up to those thugs. If I could give you more, I would. Good on ya!  Last edited on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 03:32 am by TailspinTommy
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 04:57 am |
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TailspinTommy wrote: Baldyman wrote: Bloody childish...... but if you've got any spare??????
You've had it from me (either "mentally" or for real) from a long time ago, BM; ever since you posted the pic of you after standing up to those thugs. If I could give you more, I would. Good on ya!
From me too back then.
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 06:19 am |
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Hey there Baldy Man, If you look at my picture (avatar) maybe the word Karma means something.
?????????????? Who knows the picture and its History? This is eazy if you follow Zen . All correct answers get some new MANNA
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 06:37 am |
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Aint Zen a Brazillian who plays for Chelsea?
Hmmm so I have to get the s&*t beaten out of me on a regular basis and then I'll be well cool!
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 07:13 am |
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| A hint only the pillion pasenger is now dead and the father (rider) is 82 years ols and wrote a book about a trip around USA in the 70,s
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 07:16 am |
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 08:00 am |
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Looking at some of the Chelsea players theymay well have a Brazillian with a Brazillian playin for them. As for the picture I'm still ignorant of the identity of the rider. 
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 08:06 am |
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| Google the name "Persig"
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 08:21 am |
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Robert M Persig???? I'm still none the wiser. I was totally unaware that a knowledge of any sort of Budism could inhance your bike maintenance skills. But the luck I'm having at the moment I'd give anything a go! 
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 03:10 pm |
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Robert Persig wrote "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance" mid 70s I think.
I read it, once.
Didn't learn anything about either Zen or motorcycle maintenance from it, personally.
Could have been entitled
"Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Hondas"
more accurately, in my opinion.
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 08:11 pm |
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Sorry I missed that for so long that you had to reveal the answer, PW. I would have guessed it from the bike. When I read the book the first time aged about 20 I was more interested in working out what the bike was (British or not) and eventually settled on a CB450 Honda. It took a while (and a bit more maturity) for the penny to drop with the rest of it.
What happened to his son then?
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 08:18 pm |
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| Penny never dropped for me Rick. I read it thinking I might learn something about a philosophical man taking a trip on a motorbike. How wrong can you be?
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 11:21 pm |
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Werll, y'see Deano, many years ago I started thinking about why things that I thought were obviously good - like Triumphs - were not popular with everybody else. Was I right, were they right or is it just a matter of personal taste?
That's the obvious suggestion but if so, is everything just a matter of opinion. Are the Beatles any better than the Spice Girls or is that also just a matter of opinion. Some things are universally considered to be 'quality', like the Beatles - they may not be your thing but you'd have to be a bit of a knob to say they were crap. Equally there are X-factor rejects they are obviously bloody awful. So if you are going to accept that some things are definitely good and some are rubbish, then how can you tell where the line between good/bad and a simple matter of opinion stands? Maybe that's a matter of opinion too. But the trouble is opinion can be very easily influenced - hence the success of said Spice Girls, so it isn't as simple as accepting mass opinion. Can you even trust your own judgement? Going back to where I started, why were Triumphs much better than Hondas to me? For all the arguments I would have come up with at the time, the truth was simply that I thought they were 'cooler'. In other words it was just my opinion.
That's really what the book's about, whether there is such a thing as good and bad (quality) or whether it's just subjective. 'Course in the book, trying to work it out drives Pirsig bonkers.
Anyway must go - it's time for my tablets...
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 11:23 pm |
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Try this like it will throw some light on the back ground
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4612364&sc=emaf
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Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2008 12:28 am |
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Rick Parkington wrote: Werll, y'see Deano, many years ago I started thinking about why things that I thought were obviously good - like Triumphs - were not popular with everybody else. Was I right, were they right or is it just a matter of personal taste?
That's the obvious suggestion but if so, is everything just a matter of opinion. Are the Beatles any better than the Spice Girls or is that also just a matter of opinion. Some things are universally considered to be 'quality', like the Beatles - they may not be your thing but you'd have to be a bit of a knob to say they were crap. Equally there are X-factor rejects they are obviously bloody awful. So if you are going to accept that some things are definitely good and some are rubbish, then how can you tell where the line between good/bad and a simple matter of opinion stands? Maybe that's a matter of opinion too. But the trouble is opinion can be very easily influenced - hence the success of said Spice Girls, so it isn't as simple as accepting mass opinion. Can you even trust your own judgement? Going back to where I started, why were Triumphs much better than Hondas to me? For all the arguments I would have come up with at the time, the truth was simply that I thought they were 'cooler'. In other words it was just my opinion.
That's really what the book's about, whether there is such a thing as good and bad (quality) or whether it's just subjective. 'Course in the book, trying to work it out drives Pirsig bonkers.
Anyway must go - it's time for my tablets...
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I can see what your getting at. I was in my early twenties when I read it. Maybe it's time to read it again and see if I can get what he's saying.
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Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2008 02:50 am |
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Try listening to the interview on the link i sent
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4612364&sc=emaf
Also a picture of the other bike from the book remenber it was BMW V's Honda (Japan V europe)
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Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2008 07:18 am |
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I started reading it, got bored with it, stuffed it back in the shelf and it's been there ever since, Ricks analysis is actually a better version of the whole book, I found the writing tedious, and felt stupid for buying it.
A book should contain definite knowledge on a subject, pure philosophy or pure fiction. If I could punch everybody who told be to read it, I would have, and I would have very sore knuckles afterwards, I kept trying to see the point, not a matter of penny not dropping more a pointless waste of my time reading it.
Sorry to all who praise the book, it is just my opinion, as is the whole question of quality.
I was talking with a local British Bike restorer last night, and he thought the Kawa W650 was quite a good option for a brit-alike, he rode one for half an hour without noticing that the frame and suspension are total sh!te.
Rant over
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