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Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2008 02:19 pm |
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Agreement is made that not everyone can or will ever follow teaching of Zen budda. What cant be misseed is the sucess of this type of work. I'm not a follower of any strain but like the idea of placing the question that creats conversation. I will look for a new subject to tease you all with.
Ps the same subject material on VJMC site took 786 Hits or replies
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Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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It's all too much for me. Cambridge Utd just got knowcked out of the FA Cup, which as is my taste, is a complete ar&^hole! 
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Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2008 08:41 pm |
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Maybe your opinion of Cambridge United isn't matched by their quality, BM!
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 10:33 am |
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great book.
Sadly pirsigs son was killed in a robbery on his way to his Dad's if I remember correctly. I found it sad that Pirsig found a need to labour the point that the asailents were black. But other than that I feel for his loss.
An enquiry into values. I found it most moving. Want to read it again but a little bit afraid to. hate to be dissapointed. maybe more time must pass.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 10:38 am |
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Rick Parkington wrote: Werll, y'see Deano, many years ago I started thinking about why things that I thought were obviously good - like Triumphs - were not popular with everybody else. Was I right, were they right or is it just a matter of personal taste?
That's the obvious suggestion but if so, is everything just a matter of opinion. Are the Beatles any better than the Spice Girls or is that also just a matter of opinion. Some things are universally considered to be 'quality', like the Beatles - they may not be your thing but you'd have to be a bit of a knob to say they were crap. Equally there are X-factor rejects they are obviously bloody awful. So if you are going to accept that some things are definitely good and some are rubbish, then how can you tell where the line between good/bad and a simple matter of opinion stands? Maybe that's a matter of opinion too. But the trouble is opinion can be very easily influenced - hence the success of said Spice Girls, so it isn't as simple as accepting mass opinion. Can you even trust your own judgement? Going back to where I started, why were Triumphs much better than Hondas to me? For all the arguments I would have come up with at the time, the truth was simply that I thought they were 'cooler'. In other words it was just my opinion.
That's really what the book's about, whether there is such a thing as good and bad (quality) or whether it's just subjective. 'Course in the book, trying to work it out drives Pirsig bonkers.
Anyway must go - it's time for my tablets...
R
brilliant summary of a great work.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 10:56 am |
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Hey team,
Still wasting away down in AU Will be above it all soon, all projects and life on hold soon to be back on Forun. Loz and regulars my wife and family read the posting so keep in touch
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 11:27 am |
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I'd missed this thread until now.
For me Zen and the art is a classic (there's that word again) book, and was well worth my reading it, although it took several attempts over many years, first attempt I was maybe 12 years of age, and as such stood no chance of grasping anything the author was trying to say. I finally managed (forced myself) to read the entire thing about 10 years ago, and was so glad to have reached the last chapter. My "struggle" to read the book was almost a reflection of Pirsigs struggle, and the relief of the final chapter, final paraghraphs, was, for me emense.
I do tend to get involved with a book, and this one certainly involved me. When I was trying to read it in the mid '80s (third attempt, I think) I was going through some pretty deep phsycological struggles of my own, and could not manage to read more than 2/3 - 3/4 through.
I still have my copy, somewhere, and maybe someday I shall read it again.
There is a thread from the early days of the forum where we have discussed the book, could be worth having a look back......mmmm.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:31 pm |
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Look after yourself Pete.
My trip to Oz has been put back a couple of years now I've Started Grad school (following in someones footsteps... ) But hope you will be back on all cylinders ASAP.
Pirsig exposed a great enquiry into quality which leads into the enquiry into values. Enquiring minds are always active and these are great directions to focus on... an endless pursuit perhaps?
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 07:29 pm |
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I would agree with Rick but there was the question of why artists and mechanical engineers could never understand each others point of view...To add art to technology and vice versa.
I'm a bit late but I have that photo of R A Pirsig In My Photos.....That book did change my life....at least it changed the way I thought about things.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 04:16 am |
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Its a book you have to be some kind of ready for, I think.
If you like bikes, its a great road trip story. If you like to stretch your mind around complex issues its a great inquiry. I'm sure its more things to other people too, at all points between or outside.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 04:38 pm |
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Cambridge v Exeter at Wembley, on Sunday.... Come on the U's.
Better than a Brough Superior if we win. 
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 05:02 pm |
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Baldyman wrote: Cambridge v Exeter at Wembley, on Sunday.... Come on the U's.
Better than a Brough Superior if we win.
What's that then? some kind of boat race? 
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